In this engaging episode of Against the Grain, host Gary King converses with Prof Jonathan Paul De VierVille, exploring the intricate and thought-provoking topics surrounding crop circles and their broader implications. The conversation begins with an examination of crop circles in the United States and the UK, highlighting their connections to ancient sites. They delve into the role of archetypes and numerical patterns in the creation of crop circles, emphasizing the importance of engaging with these phenomena to gain wisdom and insight. The discussion takes a fascinating turn as they consider the potential involvement of non-human intelligence in crop circle formations and the need for a new cultural dialogue to understand these occurrences. Drawing inspiration from David Bohm, they explore the concept of dialogue, stressing the importance of deep listening and finding a common language to advance discussions. Spirituality and various traditions that connect us to the divine are also touched upon, as well as the idea of reimagining humanity at a species level and exploring our connection to the cosmic and galactic community. The significance of crop circles as catalysts for new narratives of conscious awareness is highlighted, leading into a rich exploration of the relationship between dreams, mythology, and the evolution of language. The influence of other-than-human intelligence in dreams, the role of dreams in personal and collective experiences, and the power of metaphor and symbolism in dreams are discussed in depth. The conversation also addresses the concept of time in dreams and the importance of imagination in understanding and interpreting them. As they move on to the impact of language and communication on human interactions and encounters with otherworldly phenomena, the use of symbols and metaphors, the effects of poetry and myth, and the role of language in shaping our reality are examined. Throughout the episode, the emphasis remains on conscious awareness, deep listening, and open dialogue as essential tools for navigating the complexities of our changing world. Join us in this episode of Against the Grain as we delve into these captivating topics, offering fresh perspectives and fostering a deeper understanding of our world and beyond.